Don't get too excited my biblically ignorant atheist friends...actually, in context, this is how it reads, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." Psalm 14:1. Today is April Fools Day or as I like to call it, National Atheist Day. Actually, I will be extending this day for this first week of April, and declare it National Atheist Week by posting blogs about "The fools..." The Bible is not name-calling here, but describing what Atheists really are. And what is that? That atheists are mentally dull. By rejecting God, atheists are reduced to absurdity in their reasoning because they cannot make sense out of the world in which they live; which includes morality, rationality, science, human dignity, and more. Atheists refuse to take what is obvious to everybody and draw out the conclusions and worship Him. Romans Chapter 1:18-22 confirms this because the atheists refuse to acknowledge God, their reasoning becomes futile. In this next week, I will be directing you to great articles about the foolishness of atheism and the arguments they love to press and...avoid.
Today's great article is entitled, "Why Atheism Fails: The Four Big Bangs", by Frank Pastore, Christian talk show radio host and former Major League Baseball pitcher.
Here are his Four Big Bangs:
- The Cosmological (the universe “just popped” into existence out of nothingness).
- The Biological (life “just popped” into existence out of a dead thing)
- The Psychological (mind “just popped” into existence out of a brain)
- and the Moral (morality “just popped” into existence out of amorality).
14 comments:
"biblically ignorant" nice.
“But whomsoever shall say ‘Thou fool’ shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22)
A week of blogs about us "fools" should be quite entertaining.
"atheists are mentally dull." Really? Your claim is not supported in fact. 93% of scientist members of the National Academy of Sciences expressed "disbelief or doubt in the existence of God"
"By rejecting God, atheists are reduced to absurdity in their reasoning because they cannot make sense out of the world in which they live; which includes morality, rationality, science, human dignity, and more." What nonsense. Reason based judgements are not absurd, morality is certainly not confined to Christianity, neither is dignity.
"Atheists refuse to take what is obvious to everybody and draw out the conclusions and worship Him." Why do you say that it is obvious? What is obvious about the hypothesis for a god? Please explain the logical steps that you have taken to reach this conclusion. I can easily summarize why I fail to believe in your deity: The argument is not compelling enough, there is insufficient evidence to support the idea, and the hypothesis in inconsistent.
"Romans Chapter 1:18-22"
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Job 11:7
Canst thou by searching find out God?.
There seems to be a contradiction here. Could you explain it please?
Jason clearly has your number, so there's no need to belabour the points he's made so well.
My question is about how Christ himeself might see your meanspiritedness.
Perhaps you can answer this for us: why is it that fundamentalist Christians are so non-Christian in their attitudes toward others? This is the least "Christian" group of people I have ever seen.
Seems to me that you're far more likely to be damned in the final judgment than any Buddhist who has been legitimately kind to people his whole life.
Shame on you.
Jason,
Well sir, you are reading the verse of Job out of context. In Job it is referring to the exact will of God and in Romans it is saying that you Jason and everyone else can see Creation so you know there was a Creator and therefore you are without excuse. So God can then justly send you to an Eternity of Punishment.
So lets not use the Bible and lets just use Logic to prove God. I am sure you have heard if there is a Painting then we have to infer there was a Painter, and Christians use the same argument with Creation so there must have been a Creator. However, to take this one step further in order for any information to exist there has to have been a presenter and a receiver of information. Information does not spontaneously exist or can it "become". In addition if there is only a receiver of such information and not a giver then we would not have information because both parties MUST exist for Information to exist.
Anyway you crack it Jason with any of the Laws of Logic, there is something greater than us. And that something is God and He revealed Himself to us through his Word. Repent now for the Kingdom is at hand. :)
Doubting Thomas,
How are Christians mean-spirited? Atheist are the ones who spend all their time fighting against a being that they do not believe in. Christians are just exposing the truth and using the Light to shed that truth.
Christ rebuked those who were against God.
I see the flaw in your logic.
You propose the following:
1. A painting is a complex thing.
2. A painting is a made thing.
3. Therefore all complex things are made.
Logically this is the same as this:
1. Cheese is food.
2. Chocolate is food.
3. Therefore cheese is chocolate.
The logic is consistent but the conclusion is a fallacy.
I note that you also chuck in Hell as an appeal to fear. This takes the following form and is another fallacy:
Either P or Q
Q is fearsome
Therefore, P is true.
Then another with an appeal to force (there is something greater than us):
If x does not accept P as true, then Q.
Q is a punishment on x.
Therefore, P is true.
Do you see how wonderful logic can be?
Thanks Guys. I appreciate your cantor. I keep my comments open and not for moderation because I believe we can have a rational debate on the matter of the existence of God. Thank you for keeping your cool and for the great posts without the 5th grade sandbox tactics of cursing each other's mothers.
The whole purpose of keeping this open is for both worldviews to make their case. We both claim to have the corner on truth. But we know,obviously, that cannot be so due to the law of non-contradiction X and Y cannot Equal Q...you get my point.
At the end of the day, only one will be left standing. I'd hate to think there is an after-life, after all, after...my life here is over.
Jason, you posed many questions. Thank you. However, due to my limited time, I will only be able to answer a few. So, let's start with one of your first.
“But whomsoever shall say ‘Thou fool’ shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22)
When Jesus said in Matthew 5:22 that you should not call anyone a fool, contextually, He was speaking of those who were unrighteously angry. That is why Jesus mentions anger in this verse.
There is a righteous anger which is not sinful (Eph. 4:26 - "Be angry and do not sin . . ." ) as well as unrighteous anger that is sinful (James 1:20 - "for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.").
When God is angry with someone, He is always righteous in His anger. Jesus, being God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9;), can righteously be angry with people and pronounce upon them the foolishness of their deeds which He did (Matt. 23:17).
Also, undoubtedly, Jesus knew Psalm 14:1 which says, "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God . . ." Jesus didn't forget the well known verse and God is not wrong for calling someone a fool, especially when it is true.
So, we see that the condemnation by Jesus in regards to calling someone a fool is in the context of doing it out of unrighteous anger which does not fit the later citations of Jesus labeling the hypocritical Pharisees as fools. (Thanks MATT! Carm.org)
And to add, I shouldn't assume this but are you an atheist? If you are, then why are you totally disrobing your atheism, by putting on the robe of Christianity to argue a theological issue?
I know it's foolishness to you. The Bible already said it: "The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God." 1 Cor 1:18 NLT
Another reason we cannot argue the internal things of scripture is because physical man does not understand the Bible unless they are saved and the Holy Spirit guides them.
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (foolishness) to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:14 ESV
But if you want to argue scripture, we can do that another time. Don't worry, I will post something on the Validity of the Bible soon.
James said, "93% of scientist members of the National Academy of Sciences expressed "disbelief or doubt in the existence of God."
Of course! As a scientist, and this comes from my son's high school biology teacher, if you have any hint of belief in God in the science field in America, you are going to be ostracized and loose your job as a teacher, professor, scientist.
Ben Stien has a movie coming out on April 19th exposing this surpression of free thought in Academia
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playground.php
I'm afraid you've been asleep at the wheel of your studies. But Science has it's roots in Christian Europe! Science and religion harmonize beautifully!
There are many respected scientists who hold to the belief in the Christian God.
Jason said..."What is obvious about the hypothesis for a god? Please explain the logical steps that you have taken to reach this conclusion."
Sure. Well, I thank you for this because you typed in the scripture in your post;
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."
It wasn't I who said it, but the Apostle Paul to the Romans. Could it be that God's existence is as obvious as the tip of your nose that you never notice? Could you just be taking for granted the obvious evidence (induction) for the existence of God?
This claim is extraordinary! Paul sure has the guts to have penned this for the world to read.
How can the hypothesis of a chance universe account for the uniformity of nature? Just your debate and posts here assumes induction. What is the rational foundation for the inductive principle according to your worldview?
Great philosophers ages before us already discussed this.
Hume and Russell both pointed out that you can't appeal to experience to prove the uniformity of nature. Why? Because the appeal to experience already assumes the uniformity of nature. And atheism cannot account for it.
JASON ALSO ASKED,"I can easily summarize why I fail to believe in your deity: The argument is not compelling enough, there is insufficient evidence to support the idea, and the hypothesis in inconsistent."
Evidence or Proof? Scientists theorize, based on math calculations and other conclusions (induction) that the former planet Pluto, circles the sun aprox every 200 years. However, no one's been around to see proof of that.
But let me ask you, what evidence and/or proof would suffice for you to believe in "my deity"?
Doubting Thomas, thanks for visiting again. You said, "why is it that fundamentalist Christians are so non-Christian in their attitudes toward others? This is the least "Christian" group of people I have ever seen."
So?
I mean. According to atheists, I'm just reacting to my synapses and the chemicals in my brain cells (the few that I have---see, I don't take myself too seriously not to poke fun at myself).
Anyway, why are you raising a moral complaint? I know why, because again, you are made in God's image. And your morality is God-placed.
Atheists like to jump from their "Survival of the fittest" clothes then dress into their "Love thy neighbor" clothes to make their arguments.
How convenient.
Andy! Suup bud! Thanks for your Holy-Spirit guided response.
Especially this one;
"Anyway you crack it Jason with any of the Laws of Logic, there is something greater than us. And that something is God and He revealed Himself to us through his Word. Repent now for the Kingdom is at hand. :)"
I couldn't have said it better myself...actually, I didn't.
Atheists, which is synonymous with naturalists ( I know that some hate to admit it) must admit they have a problem explaining abstract laws such as the laws of logic because their universe is all physical matter.
Thanks again Andy!
Jason said "Do you see how wonderful logic can be?"
Yes. It is wonderful. So wonderful because atheists will try to use logic to try and disprove God's existence, but in doing so they are assuming absolute laws.
Be careful here Jason. If you respond that there are no absolutes, then is that an absolute statement?
Well, to be intellectually fair, I don't want to put words in your mouth.
When you even assume the absolute law of logic, again, you are borrowing from the Christian worldview. How? In this;
The Christian worldview maintains that the laws of logic are absolute because they come from God who is Himself absolute.
But the atheist worldview does not "posit" an absolute God.
One, so, I ask, "How can absolute, conceptual, abstract laws be derived from a universe of matter, energy and motion?"
Two, in other words, "How can an atheist with a naturalistic presupposition account for the existence of logical absolutes when logical absolutes are conceptual by nature and not physical, energy, or motion?"
God is transcendent; that is, He is beyond the material universe being its creator.
Some atheists claim that the Universe always was and is. But they have problems with Christians making the same assertion about the God they worship. Worthy is His name!
God has originated the laws of logic because they are a reflection of His nature.Therefore, the laws of logic are absolute. The are absolute because there is an absolute God.
This is where the atheist typicially responds that we really can't know anything 100%. If so, then comments, posts and blogs are a waste of time because we don't know if the laws of logic will work the same tomorrow.
Then why debate at all? Live and let live.
Jesus Saves.
"why are you totally disrobing your atheism, by putting on the robe of Christianity to argue a theological issue?"
You are assuming that atheists are a group. This is only loosely true. I take Marcus Aurelius' idea on debating religion and feel free to use your own quotes to counter your message when it is in error.
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